Comments on: The Fall http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/the-fall/ Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:12:21 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: The Fall 2 « Villageblog http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/the-fall/#comment-1915 The Fall 2 « Villageblog Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:58:31 +0000 http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/the-fall/#comment-1915 [...] a book called ‘The Fall‘ by Steve Taylor. I’ve already got a post called The Fall, so I’ve called this one The Fall 2 but really by the sounds of things this book has more to [...] [...] a book called ‘The Fall‘ by Steve Taylor. I’ve already got a post called The Fall, so I’ve called this one The Fall 2 but really by the sounds of things this book has more to [...]

]]> By: villageblog http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/the-fall/#comment-71 villageblog Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:39:20 +0000 http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/the-fall/#comment-71 Note that the entire essay by E Richard Sorensen can now be accessd via this link at Dan Bartlett's site http://danbartlett.co.uk/writings/sorenson.php Note that the entire essay by E Richard Sorensen can now be accessd via this link at Dan Bartlett’s site

http://danbartlett.co.uk/writings/sorenson.php

]]> By: villageblog http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/the-fall/#comment-70 villageblog Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:37:43 +0000 http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/the-fall/#comment-70 Hi Aaron, I did a quick google search but it didn't turn up a link to the Sorenson article - is it only available in print? Thanks! W. Posted by: Wendy | 10/23/2006 Wendy. I was sent an copy of it that another reader had OCR'd out of a book. I'd post the whole thing up but I'm unsure about copyright issues, however if you email me I'm happy to send it to you. My address is: utr atsymbol raglan dot net dot nz Posted by: Aaron | 10/23/2006 It’s important to note too that Sorensen would never have achieved what he did if he hadn’t lived in amongst his ‘subjects’ as he has done. Normally academics are expected to maintain an ‘objective’ distance from their subjects but fortunately Sorensen is not one of them, the richness of his observations and understanding is far in excess of anything an ‘objective’ technique could have produced. Umm, it's called "participant observation," and it's the basic methodology of anthropology. Would you mind emailing me the article, too? Posted by: Jason Godesky | 10/24/2006 Aha, they developed an academic rationalisation for a lack of detachment. Actually, now that I think about it, I was vaguely aware of the influence feminism was having on the issue of detachment (outside of my particular school). Arguing that more could be learned about social issues from getting close to the participants than collecting statistics (at least that's how I recall it). Sorensen is actually kind of apologetic about his lack of detachment in the article, hence my comments, I glad he was (detached that is). Actually I should note that I first came across the idea of the biblical fall as a description of the descent into civilisation on the old Anthropik site (was it in the Cannons?) Posted by: Aaron | 10/24/2006 Might've been. I picked it up from Daniel Quinn. :) But I don't think participant observation has much to do with feminism--it was started by Franz Boas. Posted by: Jason Godesky | 10/25/2006 Hi Aaron,

I did a quick google search but it didn’t turn up a link to the Sorenson article – is it only available in print?

Thanks!

W.

Posted by: Wendy | 10/23/2006

Wendy. I was sent an copy of it that another reader had OCR’d out of a book. I’d post the whole thing up but I’m unsure about copyright issues, however if you email me I’m happy to send it to you. My address is: utr atsymbol raglan dot net dot nz

Posted by: Aaron | 10/23/2006

It’s important to note too that Sorensen would never have achieved what he did if he hadn’t lived in amongst his ‘subjects’ as he has done. Normally academics are expected to maintain an ‘objective’ distance from their subjects but fortunately Sorensen is not one of them, the richness of his observations and understanding is far in excess of anything an ‘objective’ technique could have produced.

Umm, it’s called “participant observation,” and it’s the basic methodology of anthropology.

Would you mind emailing me the article, too?

Posted by: Jason Godesky | 10/24/2006

Aha, they developed an academic rationalisation for a lack of detachment. Actually, now that I think about it, I was vaguely aware of the influence feminism was having on the issue of detachment (outside of my particular school). Arguing that more could be learned about social issues from getting close to the participants than collecting statistics (at least that’s how I recall it).

Sorensen is actually kind of apologetic about his lack of detachment in the article, hence my comments, I glad he was (detached that is).

Actually I should note that I first came across the idea of the biblical fall as a description of the descent into civilisation on the old Anthropik site (was it in the Cannons?)

Posted by: Aaron | 10/24/2006

Might’ve been. I picked it up from Daniel Quinn. :)

But I don’t think participant observation has much to do with feminism–it was started by Franz Boas.

Posted by: Jason Godesky | 10/25/2006

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