Comments on: Nomadic Villages http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/02/23/nomadic-villages/ Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:12:21 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Tui Ecovillage « Villageblog http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/02/23/nomadic-villages/#comment-23 Tui Ecovillage « Villageblog Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:46:40 +0000 http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/02/23/nomadic-villages/#comment-23 [...] In my last post I referred to an article about Tui Ecovillage based here in New Zealand. It’s been a while [...] [...] In my last post I referred to an article about Tui Ecovillage based here in New Zealand. It’s been a while [...]

]]> By: villageblog http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/02/23/nomadic-villages/#comment-22 villageblog Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:44:37 +0000 http://villageblog.wordpress.com/2006/02/23/nomadic-villages/#comment-22 Very insightful post, thank you. I find myself agreeing enthusiastically with much of what you write. I'd just like to nod along with these statements: "Relocating to a tribe or village can help us get around the problems jobs and towns bring us but with relationships it’s going to be different. For this issue it will be a case of: ‘We can take the people out of civilisation but we can’t take civilisation out of the people’." "The best way of making people [support civilization] is to treat them in an abusive way – preferably from as early an age as possible." "Speaking more generally now it is my belief that a group of people endeavouring to form a tight knit community are going to have to show the sort of commitment that successful married couples do – except that they are going to have to show it toward everyone in the entire community." Big yes on that one. That is definitely the biggest hurdle. "They will fulfil the role of elders – something most of us are pretty unfamiliar with." You're right on, there. Elders? Where? I have had serious problems interacting with people much older than me. Most people in this culture necessarily look down on and abuse people younger than them. Having healthy intergenerational relationships is a big goal of mine. And lastly, you're right on in that really there is no conflict between ecovillages and nomadic tribes... in fact they serve each other well. As you pointed out in the permaculture v. hunter-gatherer debate, each group uses the other strategy to its benefit. It's definitely a continuum, not a dichotomy. It's interesting that you would write something like this. I'm thinking about moving to Dancing Rabbit, and starting a tribal subcommunity there. The goal is to form a tribe within the larger structure of the ecovillage, and in so doing have support and a safety net should the tribe thing not work out. If all would-be tribes maintained a symbiotic relationship like this, maybe in the 10% of successful ecovillages, 10% of those would produce successful tribes. That is my vision at least. - Devin Posted by: Devin | 02/23/2006 Very insightful post, thank you. I find myself agreeing enthusiastically with much of what you write.

I’d just like to nod along with these statements:

“Relocating to a tribe or village can help us get around the problems jobs and towns bring us but with relationships it’s going to be different. For this issue it will be a case of: ‘We can take the people out of civilisation but we can’t take civilisation out of the people’.”

“The best way of making people [support civilization] is to treat them in an abusive way – preferably from as early an age as possible.”

“Speaking more generally now it is my belief that a group of people endeavouring to form a tight knit community are going to have to show the sort of commitment that successful married couples do – except that they are going to have to show it toward everyone in the entire community.”

Big yes on that one. That is definitely the biggest hurdle.

“They will fulfil the role of elders – something most of us are pretty unfamiliar with.”

You’re right on, there. Elders? Where? I have had serious problems interacting with people much older than me. Most people in this culture necessarily look down on and abuse people younger than them. Having healthy intergenerational relationships is a big goal of mine.

And lastly, you’re right on in that really there is no conflict between ecovillages and nomadic tribes… in fact they serve each other well. As you pointed out in the permaculture v. hunter-gatherer debate, each group uses the other strategy to its benefit. It’s definitely a continuum, not a dichotomy.

It’s interesting that you would write something like this. I’m thinking about moving to Dancing Rabbit, and starting a tribal subcommunity there. The goal is to form a tribe within the larger structure of the ecovillage, and in so doing have support and a safety net should the tribe thing not work out. If all would-be tribes maintained a symbiotic relationship like this, maybe in the 10% of successful ecovillages, 10% of those would produce successful tribes.

That is my vision at least.
- Devin

Posted by: Devin | 02/23/2006

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